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300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« on: April 17, 2012, 07:22:35 PM »
Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere, ive checked and cant find anything.
Does anyone know where in the UK i can buy 300 bloom gelatine powder? - not the gelatine blocks but the powder so i can make my own. Ive checked mouldlife and all they seem to do is the gelatine blocks.
Any info would be really appreciated, thanks in advance.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 10:36:22 PM »
Give Mouldlife a call, they don't have it on the website but they sell all ingredients needed to make Gelatin blocks :)


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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 05:51:55 PM »
Thanks for that, i sent mouldlife an email which still remains unanswered, then i thought i'd just order a pack of already made up glatine blocks to see what they are like.... until i got to the checkout and found the following...

Mouldlife FX Nuggets   
Qty 1
   
Cost £15.00 (inc Tax: £18.00)                     
Delivery:   £12.50 (inc Tax: £15.00)
   
Vat @ 20%:    £5.50
   
Total:   £33.00

Pistage costs a littl ehigh for my liking! anyone know anywhere sle with lower postage costs?
« Last Edit: May 04, 2012, 05:15:36 PM by pauly78 »

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 11:23:16 PM »
One thing about FX suppliers, even Mouldlife who are awesome, is it is always best to call them.  Emails often go unanswered.  This is one of those businesses that remains very personal, and people are just used to talking to the their customers.  You should call, and start building that relationship.  I know my suppliers really well.  In return for building a solid relationship, they treat me really well.  I would just call them.  I would also recommend placing your orders over the phone too.  The nuggets are decent, but like anything it is gonna be cheaper to make it yourself.  Plus you can control the color if you make it yourself too.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2012, 07:50:34 AM »
I think most FX suppliers have a flat rate of postage, as most of the orders they recieve are bulk orders.

I think if you shop around you may save a few quid but you'll find this cost  is the norm for the quantity you want to order.

Reconsider harvesting the raw elements as you can make tons of the stuff at a fraction of the cost, glycerine/sorbitol solution and zinc oxide - ask a local chemist about ordering this stuff for you, give mouldlife a call about the 300 bloom powder.   There is an art to mixing and colouring this stuff, if you need any help just yell.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012, 01:01:32 PM »
Thanks very much for that guys, ill give mouldlife a call and see what they can do for me, i would prefer to make it myself.... i dont believe they sell flesh coloured flocking though, and ive trolled through other sites to find it unsuccessfully, am i meant to add a couple of colours together or something to come up with the flesh colour?

Also, would you recommend using a microwave or the double pan method?

Thanks in advance  :)

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2012, 11:07:51 AM »
I prefer microwave, but go slow so as not to let it boil, stop every 15-30 seconds and stir until super thin and liquid but not boiling.  As for flocking, I actually usually just use a pinch of red, and even less blue and green, maybe a touch of brown too.  I provide most of the color with liquid make-up foundations, 1 gram per 100 grams of glycerin.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 11:15:10 PM »
Hi, and thanks for the tips, but im getting nowhere fast with this stuff... im putting it in the microwave for 10 - 20 seconds at a time and mixing and mixing,, been going for at least 20 minutes and the gelatine just isnt showing any signs of dissolving. Am i doing something wrong? This is my second batch attempt  :-\

Heres how it looks


as you can see by the pic, there are still loads of bits of gelatin powder that arent dissolved.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 11:19:17 PM by pauly78 »

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 01:00:28 AM »
Something wrong with the pic, I cannot see it.

Did you proof the gelatin for 1-2 days before heating?  What formula are you using?
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2012, 07:26:00 AM »
i dont know whats wrong with the pic but i just cant get it to show, i didnt proof the gelatine no, what does that mean?

The Gelatine isnt powder, its more like crystals, is this right? I followed the recipe on here, ive also tried a recipe in a book i have, special makeup effects by Todd Debreceni, the recipe is
80g sorbitol
80g glycerin
40g gelatin
1/2g zinc oxide.

Still no luck

Ive attached the image to this post instead


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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2012, 10:07:23 AM »
Well, that seems like it is the problem. 

You should be mixing your gelatin, and then cover it with foil and let it sit in a warm area for 1-3 days, and the liquid will soak into the granules and they will swell up and become a bit jelly like.  That is when it is ready to be melted.  Then, some people allow it to cool, cut it up and remelt it before put it into the mold.  Your gelatin has not absorbed any liquid and that is why it is not melting.

Also, 40g of gelatin might make a stiff prosthetic, but should be OK for fake body parts.

Here is my recipe:

100g glycerine
75g sorbitol
22-35g 300 bloom gelatin (less for prosthetics more for body parts)
a pinch of red flocking
1/2 pinch eacho of blue, grean, and brown flocking
1 g liquid makeup for color
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 12:46:08 PM »
thanks so much, i'll try that now and we'll see what happens. do you not use the zinc oxide? apparently its adds alot of strength....

Thanks again.

PS - are you in the UK? just wondering where is best for flocking.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 05:06:44 PM »
buy some of these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Medium-Paper-Paint-Filters-Strainers-Sieve-X-50-MS10-/290719576743?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item43b03cb2a7

heat the gele til it's runny and pour it through the filter, use a hairdryer to get it all through. This will get the lumps out.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 02:16:38 AM »
I am in the US.  Zinc oxide can help a bit with heat resistance.  I use it sometimes, but not often
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2012, 03:58:45 AM »
I never heard of letting the gelatin bloom for more than a hour before you heat it.
I get my flocking from Michael's craft. They have small container for a good price in alot of colors

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2012, 11:13:58 AM »
Hi There,
I'm in the UK and I've just bought 300 bloom gelatine powder  on eBay.
Thanks for the tips everyone, hope I don't go through the whole bag practicing, got a lot of moulds to fill.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2012, 11:20:30 AM »
Thanks for all your help guys, finally managed to make some awesome gelatin!
Used the recipe supplied by Lost in the Orient - thank you.
And also the tip from Steve-O - i didnt buy the filters you suggested from eBay, i just used a sieve which did the job.

Trish i got mine from same place after looking everywhere!  i let the mix stand for about 1 day covered with foil before heating it.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2012, 11:22:27 AM »
So glad it worked out.  Do post pictures of your pieces.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2012, 11:41:04 AM »
Thanks for the info,
Just wondering, will be using softer gelatine for appliances but will need stiffer mix to hold in place plastic bolts/ weapons. Does anyone have any tips on the best way to secure/ make such a piece?
Thought of attaching weapon to foam core and creating wound around it?
Also, getting a bit off the subject here, but a pitch fork through the back, need a front view of the fork sticking out, actress naked.
Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2012, 06:15:58 PM »
Plate on the actors with some nails, fiberglass plate that is.  A prosthetic to cover the plate.  The make a polyfoam rake, and snip off the tips, and press it into the nails.  It is still gonna be heavy, so you may need some fishing line to help keep it standing up.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2012, 11:09:57 AM »
Thanks a million will give it a try!

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2012, 04:15:27 PM »
Hello, i've just stumbled accross this thread after searching the internet for information with regards to home made gelatine. To those of you from the UK who are making your own gelatine mix at home, can i ask where you have been able to find the sorbitol for your mix? since ebay has banned the selling of it i'm unable to find it anywhere else at a reasonable price  :(


Thanks in advance to anyone who can help  ;D


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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2012, 06:08:26 PM »
I would suggest checking with effects supply houses, like Mouldlife, or maybe Screenface.  Also, a good pharmacy should have it.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2012, 10:03:07 PM »
Ask an independent highstreet pharmacy/chemist.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2012, 06:31:48 PM »
Hi There,Can anybody help me?I'm a bit worried about my gelatine mixture, I've prepared 2 batches, one prosthetic mix and one harder. The harder one obviously is a bit thicker but after 2 days rest it still feels grainy. Is this normal? Sorry, first time making my own and I really can't get it wrong!!!
Pleeease help!
Also will be heating in double pan on stove (microwave broken!)how do I know when it's ready
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2012, 06:43:28 PM »
Oh by the way
For Sorbitol in the UK( in case you still haven't found it);

HB ingredients
www.hbingredients.co.uk

around £7 for 1kg, but postage is stiff at £10 but delivery just 2days.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2012, 08:09:08 PM »
You can use a double boiler if microwave is not available, just don't get any water in your gelatin mix.   Sometimes it can remain grainy, but the grains should be softer than when fresh.  You can always let it proof a few days more.  Also, what formulas are you using?
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2012, 09:09:21 PM »
Thanks LOST,

Using your recipe in an earlier post, thought I could trust it more.
Increased batches, using for stiffer mix; 200g Glycerine, 150 Sorbitol, 70g Gelatine, 2 pinches red flock approx 2ml liquid make up.
For the softer mix;100g glycerine, 75g Sorbitol,22g Gelatine, pinch red flock, 1ml make up.

To both I added 1/2 teaspoon zinc oxide and although I know I should have done small batches, time is tight so I did x4 on the softer mix having no idea if It will be enough to fill all these moulds!
Thanks again for your speedy reply.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2012, 03:00:37 AM »
I have done big batches before, and it works out fine.  The key is to cover it well and let it proof and the bigger the batch, the longer the proofing, usually.  Sometimes, I let it sit in a warm place for about 3 days.  The more gelatin powder the dryer and spongier it will be and the less powder, the smoother and more liquid it will be.
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2012, 08:58:21 AM »
Hi again,

Thank you for your help.
Will leave it another day or two.
I was going to encapsulate the softer gelatine with cap plastic to ease blending on the bigger pieces do I need to colour the plastic?
Sorry, but also having trouble with blood pump, using 5mm heat shrink under gelatine appliance but finding it hard to get the piece to stick and the blood is trickling not squirting.Could the piece be too thick?It's a very nasty wolf attack.Perhaps bigger pump too?
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2012, 09:04:32 AM »
Oh, by the way, the appliance I used to practice the neck attack wasn't encapsulated.Could this be why it's not adhering properly? used bluebird xtra strong spirit gum adhesive.

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2012, 12:28:05 PM »
Huge thanks to all of you who replied to my question, feeling a little more positive about sourcing some sorbitol now  :)

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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2012, 01:52:42 AM »
Trish, I would not suggest the cap plastic, the heat from the gelatin may distort it or melt it.  Seal the rear of the final appliance with Prosaide and then apply it with prosaide.  I actually do not always seal, but I usually apply with Telesis 5.  Spirit gum is rarely strong enough for prosthetic work, and that is the reason most professionals switched to medical adhesives in the early 80's. 

As for the tubing, you might just not have enough pressure.  Most garden sprayers only give you 25-35 psi, and for a good squirt I sometimes use up to 90 or higher.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2012, 11:09:25 AM »
Thanks LOST,
That does help tremendously, Thank you!
I did want to use the Telesis but I have a ridiculous budget for the amount of stuff I have to do, although at this point it would have been a good investment.
Will use the prosaide and hope for the best this time.
Doin my best not to have to step aside for the CGI guys
Will be heating the gelatine today, fingers crossed! :)
Thanks again for all your help,
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2012, 11:38:55 AM »
WOW what beautiful gelatine!!! Feel like I've conquered Everest!!

THANK YOU so much for sharing your recipe and tips LOST :)
100 times better than most I've used before!
Was pining about not being able to get my hands on some Gel 10 because of the cost, but now feeling  over the moon!
Again, can't thank you enough!
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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2012, 06:07:46 PM »
Glad it worked out :D
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Re: 300 Bloom Gelatine Powder
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2012, 12:28:58 AM »
Hi

I realise this is quite an old thread but for future reference you can get gelatine from a company call Healan.

http://www.healan.com/

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